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09-03-2004
posted by rodburner
Well ya picked a good week to pour no rain for a change. good luck on your
pour. Been rainin every weekend sure messes up the golf game. Ain't
supposed to rain this much in this part of Texas.
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Billy
09-03-2004
posted by DDA52
Cutter
How'd it go? Pics.....we need pics! At least you got yours done. I WAS
gonna finish a parking lot tomorrow. No one wants to give us any concrete.
Seems they want a holiday.....imagine that! Oh well, next week.
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Don
Grand High Poobah...(by appointment.)
09-03-2004
posted by
Cutter
Awright, awright. I got lots of pictures, more than youcould possibly want
to see. I had planned to do a pretty detailed step-by-step like I usually
do but hell, I am just too tired. Maybe I'll fill in the blanks some
later.
However as they say on your favorite garage show, here is the "build team"
or maybe they are the pour boys. From left to right, Roy, Rueben, Pete
(the boss) and Joe(foreman). Roy never shuts his mouth, Rueben rarely
opens his and Pete & Joe are somewhere in between but this as hard working
a crew as you could want. Rueben deserves special mention, very
impressive.
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cutter
09-03-2004
posted by
Cutter
Primetime
I haven't heard so much preposterous bragging & non-stop bullsh*t out of
one man since Baghdad Bob disappeared. I finally started calling him
Primetime. Roy's response was "Take my picture, man. It's free." He puts
on quite a show.
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cutter
09-03-2004
posted by
Cutter
first pour
Yesterday they stopped by about 4pm and did the final fill, leveling and
began cutting the driveway across the walk, leaving the cement in place
but ready to break out this morning. They arrived today about 8:30am or
thereabouts, took the fence back down & finished the drive excavation &
forms. Rueben set the string and the strip for the siding pocket. Joe had
prepared templates for the anchor bolts but either couldn't find his wood
bits or got involved drinking beer so I bored the holes & we set them on
the forms. The Joe cut out the "rabbit ears" as Pete calls them, for the
walk doors. The the truck driver called ahead to warn Pete that he was
running a little ahead of schedule & things got into a higher gear. Here
is the first pour, 10:45 am, according to my camera. The big guy in the
picture is Pete's son Petey; Joe fired him last week for mouthing off.
Rueben observed that he was granted probationary status today.
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cutter
09-03-2004
posted by
Cutter
moving on
Work progressed at a surprising pace. 11:46 am.
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cutter
09-03-2004
posted by
Cutter
I finally had to leave to do a little work myself, a rare event these
days. I came back a little before 6pm to find them gone but here is what
they left me with, taken from across the street.
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cutter
09-03-2004
posted by
Cutter
last one for now
From my back porch.
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cutter
09-03-2004
posted by 1911man
Lookin good Cutter, I'm enjoying watching your dream shop materialize so
keep the pics coming
09-03-2004
posted by Jim314
It is looking good Cutter. This is going to be fun watching go up.
09-03-2004
posted by atucker
At least you didn't come home to find a bicycle track and dog foot prints
in it. That's what happened to one of the neighbors last year. Lookin'
good.
Allen T.
09-03-2004
posted by 7018
Well u got it going after all those things going south on ya,really
looking good sure will be interesting watch the shop go up!!We'll all be
watching u
09-03-2004
posted by DDA52
Cutter
You definitely got a good finish. I could tell from the shine on the
across the street pic. That look is what I'd give you. Baby butt smooth
and shiny! You'd be surprised how many guys won't "burn" a slab. It makes
them much easier to sweep and clean up.
What is the timeline for act two?
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Don
Grand High Poobah...(by appointment.)
09-04-2004
posted by TheFrenchCanadian
Lookin' good Cutter! Keeping my fingers crossed that everything goes good
for 'ya from here on in! Having a blast watching things come together and
I'm envious as heck!!
Keep the pics coming whenever you have a chance, can't get enough pics,
you know...
Luc
09-04-2004
posted by
Cutter
Quote:
Originally Posted by DDA52
Cutter
You definitely got a good finish. I could tell from the shine on the
across the street pic. That look is what I'd give you. Baby butt smooth
and shiny! You'd be surprised how many guys won't "burn" a slab. It makes
them much easier to sweep and clean up.
What is the timeline for act two?
Thanks, Don & thanks to you all. Today was definitely a big relief, seems
like everything came together today as though a curse had been lifted. My
original plan was to post updates every couple of days but the plumbing
thing caused me to lose most of my initiative for a while. I even lost 5
pounds this last week & that is not like me at all. Of course, the worst
part was I was mad at myself for letting it happen. I got real tired of
kicking my own ***.
A couple of notes, just for your information:
This is the fiberglass-laced concrete - no steel other than the rebar in
the footings. Everyone I talked to recommended that, said to keep the
extra cost of the wire. Guess we'll find out, but I hate to ignore
professional advice especially when it involves something I have no
experience with. So I took it.
And the final cost of the slab & drive is $4000. Pete & crew did a good
bit of extra work & I was satisfied to pay the extra $300 above the
initial bid. More on that later.
I intend to let her cure for at least ten days before the building is
delivered. I have not even called Pablo to discuss a firm date & cost of
erection but he told me 2 bucks a square foot a couple of weeks ago. The
shell is 720 feet.
I am not sure when the guys will be back to pull the forms. I am kinda
hoping they will come by to patch my fence tomorrow but I didn't try for a
real cross your heart & hope to die over it. And of course, it is a
holiday weekend. For a change I am glad to not have a crew tromping around
back there.
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cutter
09-09-2004
posted by
Cutter
Update: on schedule
Nothing much happened in my blip of the planet lately but what has been
done is kinda positive. The manager of the local Mueller branch called
Tuesday morning to let me know my building package was in town & to set up
a delivery date. I told him that Pablo was on his way over to inspect and
give me a start date so I would call him back within the hour. Pablo
arrived as promised & we stood around on the slab, kicked some clods
around the forms & drank a little coffee. I liked him; he's a soft spoken,
modest & friendly fellow about my age, smiles easily (a lot like me ) and
was nice to my dogs. That's a good start. He said he can put the shop
together next week, starting on Monday, total cost $1500; that's a touch
over 2 bucks a square foot which is what he told me over the phone a
couple of weeks ago. The slab will have had its ten day cure time by then,
exactly what I had in mind. We talked about door placement, which
direction to swing them, he expressed surprise at the size of the anchor
bolts protruding from the slab until I told him that this was the "120
mile-an-hour" building that Mueller claims is engineered to withstand 120
mph winds, 20lbs per sq ft snow load & 20 lbs per foot live load. The
lesser grade is a 90, 20, 20 for $300 less. Weird as the weather is these
days, I figgered we might just get one of them Florida hurricanes some
day, or the tornadic equivalent which I have certainly seen although it's
been about 33 years.
So I called Joe back & we arranged for the package to be delivered this
Friday afternoon. FYI, total weight is about 6500 lbs. Delivery is "free",
meaning I will pay for it all with one check.
So I have turned my attention to finding an overhead sectional door 12ft
wide x 10ft high. Mueller only offers roll ups & that didn't appeal to me
at all -too leakey & too easy to kick in. I think we had that discussion
earlier in this thread. Looks like it will cost about $600, cash & carry
for a plain, uninsulated door or $900 for insulated. Seems to me they're
too damned proud of the insulation; I'll take care of that part myself.
And I am trying to pick a source for fencing material. That old
falling-down wooden thing has got to go, hopefully right after I get the
shop in the dry & some juice wired in. Mueller has quoted about ten bucks
a linear foot using the same material & colors as the shop. I'm still
trying to figure out what the cost will be based on the figures I got by
phone from Jarvis Metals. I think I can save a buck or two a foot, though
& I need about 130 feet just to do the street & alley sides, plus some
extra steel & other parts for a rolling gate frame.
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cutter
09-09-2004
posted by 7018
cutter
Sure hope u have time to take alot of pic's of ur shop going up shouldn't
take more than a few days to get it done I'll be looking forward to seeing
it!!!
09-09-2004
posted by Wyoming
Cutter, Don't worry as much over the type of overhead door as you do over
the quality of a good fence. If the scum of the earth can't lug your tools
and belongings over a good fence they usually aren't going to waste their
time kicking in a less than perfect door. Try to keep nosy neighbors and
the exterior well lit. Crooks are like cockroaches.. they are basically
lazy and hate the light. Lots of luck on the rest of the build.
09-09-2004
posted by 'Ol Pilot
Cutter, good 4000 psi concrete requires about 28 days for a full cure.
Light traffic after 10 days is probably OK, but I'd sure keep the road
graders off of it. I picked up that one tidbit from a civil engineering
prof at the Univ of Wyo many years ago. I was majoring in grad AE and
decided that until they started making airplanes out of concrete and
rebar, I'd evade any more CE courses.
09-09-2004
posted by Franz
OP, we did have an outfit here back in 43 that was making ocean going
barges from concrete. Unfortunately, nobody bothered to record the history
of Dolomite Corp much back then.
Actually, I believe full cure isn't till around 90 days, but we can't make
Cutter wiat that long.
It seems I recall something about you blue suit fellows loving landing
them silver birds on concrete, so if you woulda studied a little harder
you could have been invaluable to any Base Commander helping him build his
damn golf course.
09-10-2004
posted by DDA52
As the resident concrete type, I'll throw my nickel in. Typically, slabs
of this type would be using 3000 psi. Judging from the excellent $$$ you
got, I'd guess that is the case. 3ksi is considered "cured" in this type
application in 28 days. However, it will reach 75% of its target stregnth
in 5 to 7 days. If the water content wasn't altered too much by the
finishers, you may end up with anywhere from 3900 psi to 4500 psi ultimate
strength from 3ksi crete. Reason for that is the batch plants KNOW we'll
be adding all the water we want for workability. Because of this they
adjust the cement ratio for up to 30% loss of stregnth loss due to water
addition. So, if you don't add any water, you actually get more than you
paid for.....if you can work it. It isn't unusual for us to get 7 day
breaks around 2900 to 3100 psi. At 10 days, you are in good shape, even if
you drive a truck on it. We open parking lots at 7 days, even truck stop
lots. I'm thinking the fiber you had added will skew these numbers a
little higher, but not much without steel in it. Every little bit helps
though.
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Grand High Poobah...(by appointment.)
09-10-2004
posted by
Cutter
delivery day
I beat the delivery truck home by mebbe ten minutes today, just enough
time to take down the emergency hogwire gate that will have to serve at
least through the building erection process. & probably several days after
that. Moved a couple of pieces of shelving that were in the way just in
time to flag the truck down. David, the driver, carries a forklift sort of
machine called a Manitou, first one I ever saw.
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cutter
09-10-2004
posted by
Cutter
It took considerable backing, filling & jockeying around to get the longer
pieces through the 14 ft opening in the fence but he finally got it done.
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cutter
09-10-2004
posted by
Cutter
The steel package went on the slab as Pablo requested while the sheet
metal & insulation, some trim & other lighter pieces were stack to one
side of the drive. I'll try to think to get a better photo when the sun is
not so low. Doesn't look like no $8200 to me.
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cutter
09-10-2004
posted by 7018
You see alot of those 3 wheel forklifts around here!! Mostly on sod
trucks,Won't be long now eh cutter.
@ the cost of steel now and the fab guys and the welders,painters o ya
easyly that amount!!
09-10-2004
posted by
Cutter
This a partial pic of the sheet metal & trim stack & Jake showing off,
pretending to be a guard dog.
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cutter
09-10-2004
posted by
Cutter
David
David took his time & inventoried what he brought. He discovered that the
"peak sheets" were missing, but my salesman delivered them on his way home
from work.
I told David to look at the camera & I would make him famous; after I
explained about SFT to him, he remembered to come back inside the yard
before he drove away to ask the name of our little madhouse, so maybe he
has registered and is taking a look by now. Hi David.
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cutter
09-10-2004
posted by
Cutter
The tires on that Manitou must be composed of at least 60% axle grease. My
virgin concrete sure lost its cherry today. And that's about it for
tonight.
Quote:
Originally Posted by 7018
You see alot of those 3 wheel forklifts around here!! Mostly on sod
trucks,Won't be long now eh cutter.
Yeah, this pictures are just for you , Paul. I knew you'd be the first to
comment.
I'll get some good action shots of Pablo & his guys next week.
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cutter
09-10-2004
posted by SlimJim
Cutter, I am really enjoying this thread. The only negative to it is that
I am going to be to tired to build my own shop after mentally working on
yours. I hope we are going to get done soon, I am ready to use it! What is
the updated proposed finish date?
09-11-2004
posted by 7018
Well now how did u figure that????
09-11-2004
posted by
Cutter
Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimJim
What is the updated proposed finish date?
Christmas.
Pablo said he will be through and gone by the next weekend. This leaves
wiring & lighting, the overhead door, the inside plumbing, and such small
things. Then the real work begins - sorting though a forty year collection
of my tools & junk, getting rid of about 2000 square feet of windows and
doors & junked out appliances and lumber and trash and motors and plumbing
stuff and parts & pieces of things I have completely forgotten about. Then
there is the other 400 square feet of tools I will bring home. Oh, I am
forgetting about the fence & gates I need to build. Its gonna be a
sickening slow process at times.
And I do still a little work from time to time.
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cutter
09-11-2004
posted by 1911man
Now Cutter, where else could ya go and have that much fun with your
clothes on? Maybe you ought to have a giant garage/shop sale after you've
sorted out what ya don't want. Course you're probably like me and there
generally ain't much left to sell after the sortins done
09-11-2004
posted by TheFrenchCanadian
It's coming along fine Cutter! One step at a time... Looking good, thanks
for the photos and keep 'em comin'!
BTW, They use those three wheeled thingies up here to, like Paul said,
mostly for sod delivering, never seen one quite that heavy duty though...
Luc
09-11-2004
posted by Franz
I found one of those 3 wheel thingys in my front field a couple months
back, when the neighbor was havin his roof rebuilt.
Seems the genius drivin it thought he'd go thru my field cause there were
trucks in the neighbor's driveway. He didn't figure on the field bein
soft, or my attitude.
I did nicely ask what he intended to about the ruts behind his toy, and
the dents under where it was stuck, just before he told me to Joey myself.
Then, I asked for his insurance card. After he told me to Joey myself
again, I called Officer Friendly.
I explained politely to the officer since the thing was on my property,
and I had been told to Joey myself, I was layin claim to it, and would he
please have the jerkoff sitting on it get the hell off.
Officer Friendly explained the situation about my forklift, and the idiot
told him we could both go Joey ourselves.
That was a BAD move. Then, we got to wait for the owner of my new forklift
to arrive, and since we were killing time, Officer Friendly got out his
tickets. He even found some new sections of the Vehicle code he had never
before used.
When the company owner arrived, he wasn't real keen on my now owning his
forklift, and he was even less keen on his delivery truck being hooked to
a tow truck because it had failed DOT. After he paid me $150- for damage
to the field, he found out he had to pay the tow truck extra for hauling
the 3 wheeled thing out of the field, and even more for hauling it away on
a roloff wrecker, cause the tow truck refused to tow his defective truck
with the 3 wheeled thing attached.
I'm hopeing one of them things gets stuck in my field at least once a
year.
09-11-2004
posted by 7018
Well if u wasn't so far off we could run over and help u with the tool
sorten.then maybe you wouldn't have a 40 year collection of tools to worry
about,
09-11-2004
posted by madam X
Quote:
Originally Posted by Franz
I found one of those 3 wheel thingys in my front field a couple months
back, when the neighbor was havin his roof rebuilt.
<snip>
I'm hopeing one of them things gets stuck in my field at least once a
year.
I love these heartwarming stories
(and I could use a little income like that, myself)
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Director of Policy, Inane Matters (by appointment)
Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc
Now go kill something for me
09-11-2004
posted by
Cutter
Quote:
Originally Posted by madam X
I love these heartwarming stories
(and I could use a little income like that, myself)
I think Franz is building onto his credentials for someday having a nice &
very quiet funeral.
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cutter
09-11-2004
posted by
Cutter
Just about the time I had decided I was going to have to pull the concrete
forms myself, Pete showed up with a helper. The lumber is all stacked on
the drive & they have gone to fetch a trailer.
This exposed the siding pockets all around the slab. This picture shows
the pocket on each side of the front walk door (man door to big rig).
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