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08-25-2004
posted by
Cutter
Frank, it wasn't my idea that they start this quickly. I was taken
completely by surprise. But when I told him that , Pete said "sh*t, the
customer that's ready to go right now gets done right now. Footdraggers
that make me wait can wait their turn." Makes sense to me... I think.
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08-25-2004
posted by Franz
Cutter, around here we call it Hilton Red Clay, real good for bricks &
flower pots. Under that, we have a nice layer of gray clay.
Soaker hoses won't work, unless you drill holes for the water to
penetrate.
08-25-2004
posted by fatfrank
With an attitude like that, I can see why he was recommended to you by a
previous customer. People with that kind of work ethic are harder and
harder to find nowdays.
Seems like when I get into something like your doing, the
worker/contractor shows up real fast to get stared, then take on another
job and get it started and string everyone along until the only one
getting any work done is the guy throwing the biggest fit. Sounds like you
have different guys doing different parts of the job so maybe it will all
work out nice and easy.
I am a little jealous and would like to be getting a new shop to start
filling up. Looking forward to watching the progress as it unfolds.
Congratulations
08-25-2004
posted by
Cutter
Water & Sewer lines
Well, we have our first small setback but one that did not entirely
surprise me.
I had been concerned that the building will sit over the water & sewer
lines. Although the Planning & Zoning guy didn't mention this last Monday,
the plumber Pete brought into the deal said otherwise. He (Juan) was there
to rough in a drain & water line for the rudimentary restroom I wanted &
right away said sure, he could do that but as soon as the first inspector
saw it, he/they would call a halt until the old lines were "brought up to
the new code", meaning of course all-new. He said he would be happy to
just do the rough in but for roughly 40% more he would do the whole thing.
After talking over the time involved with Joe (Pete's foreman) I told Juan
to get after it.
Bottom line, assuming I live long enough to enjoy this shop, the water
line or sewer or both will have to be replaced anyway so it's cheaper to
just do it now. Truth is, I kinda wanted to do it when I first started
planning this deal so I'm kinda glad to get it off my mind.
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08-25-2004
posted by DaveD
You can also use receiver hitch tubing for making the holes in the floor.
Don't have to worry about stopping things from rotating that way.
08-26-2004
posted by
Cutter
cutter's compressor
So yesterday I took advantage of the work gang of young muscle that was
here & accepted delivery of my "new" old CH air compressor. The fellow
(David) that I bought it from is not much bigger than me & I need it
delivered to my back porch, patio - whatever you want to call it. No way
he & I were going to move this Thing across my yard so I recruited the
cement grunts, and grunt they did.
It is a 25 year old Campbell Hausfeld 2 stage cast iron pump, 80 gallon
tank with a 5 hp Baldor motor, 3 phase of course. So I got David to throw
in a 7.5 hp Century motor to use in a rotary converter. I watched it run
before I bought it & it cruised right up to 160 pounds very quietly & it
seemed to me, pretty quickly too.
Now I know that a lot of you guys would paint this old pump before you
even let us see it & I may eventually paint it myself. But unlike some
people, I ain't running for office or trying to defend my medals or even
huntin' a wife, so IOW my self-esteem is not at stake. Here she is,
cutter's compressor:
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08-26-2004
posted by
Cutter
I learned something interesting about these old compressors which some of
you might know, might not but this site is supposed to occasionally be
informative as well as fun so I will pass it along. I had my choice
between an Ingersol Rand, a Quincy & this CH. David advised this one & he
had his reasons. He does not claim to know everything there is to know but
this is based on his experience & since I have little or none with the
internals of air pumps, I deferred to his claims.
point 1. The Ingersol has a 2 piece input shaft & the part you can see
supporting the pulley is not the crankshaft; inside the case, it is held
to the crankshaft by a socket or sleeve arrangement & the pulley shaft is
pinned to the crankshaft with a horizontal pin much like a roll pin
inserted into a half circle machined into each of the two shafts. It is
rather like the key/keyway relationship between a pulley and a shaft
except the slots are round instead of being square slots with a square
key. He said if the roll pin ever spins out, the internal damage is often
near hopeless, probably not worth repairing. By contrast, the CH has a
solid shaft.
point 2. The Quincy has an internal oil pump & the compressor has no way
of "knowing" whether that pump is working or not. While the pumps usually
hold up well, they do sometimes fail in which case the compressor behaves
like an engine with no oil. Something seizes and the rods break. By
contrast the CH has a near bullet proof oil slinger setup & so long as she
has oil, she has lubrication.
Now all that being said, I offer this disclaimer: I have not seen either
"point" with my own eyes and can only say that David has a good many years
experience with compressors & I have no reason to disbelieve him. I took
the Campbell Hausfeld on his advice even though I had to gag my reaction
to the brand based on what we all have seen in stores in recent years &
the sorry reputation that the CH name has established in the last ten or
so years in the small compressor market. YMMV. I did not get up this
morning & decide to start argument over brand loyalty. I am therefore just
passing along the information I was given and I reserve the right to
change my mind, too.
Here is the ID plate from the pump:
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08-26-2004
posted by rodburner
it ain't gotta have new paint to perform well cutter. I myself need a
bigger compressor too. Sounds like ya got a good compressor.
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08-26-2004
posted by Wyoming
Cutter, From a proud Quincy owner I would have to say that you probably
couldn't have made a wrong choice from the three makes you had as options.
Barring any problems with the tanks on any of these three, I would bet
that any one of these compressors could easily outlive you. If you are
going to lag the unit down to the floor try to find some thick conveyor
belting to use as a shim washer between the floor and compressor. I used
some from one of the local mines' coal conveyors and it works great.
08-26-2004
cutter
How about some truck mudflap?
And thanks for the encouraging comment.
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08-26-2004
posted by Franz
Cutter, the sad reality is that plenty of old name brands have been
prostituted by beancounters, into now being namebrand crap.
That old compressor is probably going to think it's come to a retirement
home at your place, and perform well for you.
Franz
08-26-2004
posted by
Cutter
Quote:
Originally Posted by Franz
That old compressor is probably going to think it's come to a retirement
home at your place, and perform well for you.
Yeah, that was pretty much my thought, too. Let's see how ya'll react to
this: I paid David $400 bucks for it, including delivery, 90 day warranty
& the extra idler motor. Oh! and a magnetic contactor. The only other I
had found had a $600 asking price, a horizontal Champion, I think.
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08-27-2004
posted by Franz
I think I'd be a lot happioer if you said it included a single phase
motor, but given what you've said before about availability of machinery
in your area, you didn't get hurt too bad.
Around here, I've paid between $20 and $100 a horse for used compressors.
A couple years back, doing a plant liquidation, I was glad to get $50- a
horse for off brand compressors. Market is saturated here, and dealers
won't do buybacks.
08-27-2004
posted by Wyoming
Cutter, Mudflaps should work just as well...same sort of material. Get a
good "spitter" installed on the bottom of the tank and start running air
lines. Bought an electric spitter for mine, but I would probably go with a
simple pressure interuption type if I had to do it over again. The
electric works perfectly, but the price is a lot steeper for basically the
exact same action. By the way, $400 for a good used piece of equipment is
a great price now and later on down the road as well. If you ever need to
sell the equipment in the future I doubt you would get hurt on the price.
Downside is I'm sure the air tool buying bug is going to hit with a
vengence once you have the shop up and running. Check out the MAC
line...I've got a flexhead cut-off I swear by.
08-27-2004
posted by 7018
Cutter ur going to have that shop filled up even before its built!! nice
compresser u got another deal there.oooooo did i say u suck?
08-28-2004
posted by
Cutter
plumbing goes on forever
This is the diggingest sum***** I ever have seen. The first day he dug for
7 or 8 hours I think, then he turned into the runningest-off-somewhere-else
sum***** I ever have seen. I have been just about mad enough to kill him
at times. Already he has caused an extra day's delay which amounts to a
weekend because he promised to have the rough-in ready for a Friday
inspection so that Pete could finish his forms & get the footing layout
ready for its inspection. As it is now, we're looking at a Monday
inspection if we're lucky.
Meanwhile, it is dig-we-must:
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08-28-2004
posted by
Cutter
plumbing cont.
But how can you stay mad at a face like this? Especially when he works
this hard & stays this cheerful?
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08-28-2004
posted by Scott V
By contrast the CH has a near bullet proof oil slinger setup & so long as
she has oil, she has lubrication.
Cutter just for something to think about, what happens when the oil
slinger falls of the connecting rod? I think you made a good pick anyway
and I thought I would help you take your mind off the inspectors. You have
not lived untill you have been through the ringer with those guys. Have a
nice weekend!
He is a hint that works pretty well with chicken s**t inspectors. Leave a
nail or board loose right out in the open. That way the can show you how
superior they are too you!!!!
08-28-2004
posted by
Cutter
plumbing cont.
Well, maybe I won't stay mad but I do not forget some things. Friday
morning he dropped off a laborer to finish excavating the sewer pipe. Gus
worked for 3 or 4 hours & disappeared, Juan showed back up about 3 pm
diddled around in his trenches for about an hour then "ran after parts" &
never returned. I was about fit to be tied by then because it was pretty
obvious that he is working on several jobs at once instead off completing
this one as promised.
Here is the thing that I haven't mentioned: I took the week off to be home
while the slab was being poured. That cost me a week's income. The
plumbing delay is my fault if anyone's but I agreed to a pretty outrageous
price on this plumbing gig because Juan said he could do it in one day. He
ain't even trying to deliver.
I did take the opportunity to get back down to city hall & add the sewer
job to my permit, depriving the plumber the opportunity to gig me for
using his father's bond & charging an extra $250 for that. The city
charged me 25 bucks. But now, the best I can hope for is that the slab
will be done by next weekend and I cannot be around to see it through.
First of the month brings lotsa repair requests from tenants & #1 customer
will be hollering several times a day. It usually takes all of us until
the 15th or so to work through all the little jobs.
So my neat little vision of how to handle this first phase got trampled
pretty good by the guy's failure to honor his promise; I am keeping my
mouth shut so far but there is a time to settle the bill coming in a few
days. Revenge is best served cold, yes?
posted by Scott V ...Cutter just for something to think about, what
happens when the oil slinger falls of the connecting rod?
Well Scott, I figger if that happens she's already thrown a rod anyway,
but thanks for trying.
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08-28-2004
posted by big rig guy
Wyomming- I have that same Mac flex head cutoff, I am on my third one, the
one I have now, stopped flexing.
The first two went back to Mac for warranty,for not flexing, no else I
know, has ever bought one and I originally thought there were just a bad
design. Good to see, yours works.
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08-28-2004
posted by big rig guy
Good deal on the compressor Cutter, I never get deals like that. Beware
though, this is where it starts with the airtoolitis bug.
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08-28-2004
posted by
Cutter
Quote:
Originally Posted by big rig guy
Good deal on the compressor Cutter, I never get deals like that. Beware
though, this is where it starts with the airtoolitis bug.
Yeah, Wyoming mentioned that but you know, I have a little die grinder
that I've never even chucked up. All that damned whirrrrruuuuuinnnggggg
always bugged me. Air impacts are bad enough, got three of them that I use
occasionally, and gratefully. But we'll see.
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08-28-2004
posted by Paychk
Hey cutter is there any other ID tags on that compressor? I'm drawing a
blank on the posted one.
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08-28-2004
posted by Markopolo
Cutter.....Here's a little tidbit that (maybe) some of the guys don't
know.....
Regarding the name-plate on your beautiful compressor.....(I've got a
Campbell-Hausfeld also)......
The "Scott-Fetzer" company in Ohio is also the company that manufactures
Kirby vacuum cleaners !....(which we ALL know, are the best) !
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08-28-2004
posted by
Cutter
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paychk
Hey cutter is there any other ID tags on that compressor? I'm drawing a
blank on the posted one.
Alan, there is a number cast into the side of the crankcase: V258A and a
rating plate on the tank, probably having to do only with the tank. And
then there is this tag dangling from the crankcase: TF185671. Thanks for
searching; I struck out on the other numbers too, too. Searching by
description did get several discussions & comments - all favorable, none
instructive.
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08-28-2004
posted by
Cutter
Quote:
Originally Posted by Markopolo
Cutter.....Here's a little tidbit that (maybe) some of the guys don't
know.....
Regarding the name-plate on your beautiful compressor.....(I've got a
Campbell-Hausfeld also)......
The "Scott-Fetzer" company in Ohio is also the company that manufactures
Kirby vacuum cleaners !....(which we ALL know, are the best) !
Thanks, Marko. Here I've been able to resist the Kirby pitch all my life &
damned if they didn't back door me.
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08-29-2004
posted by Markopolo
Don't resist ! I'm only on my second one in over 30 years !
They run sweet, and they SUCK ! !
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08-29-2004, 12:22 PM
posted by Franz
Quote:
Originally Posted by Markopolo
Don't resist ! I'm only on my second one in over 30 years !
They run sweet, and they SUCK ! !
AND, every damn replacement part for them is available from
Powr-Flite
Of course the machines are tremendously overpriced to begin with, unless
you get yours from CurbSide supply.
08-29-2004, 08:56 PM
posted by Markopolo
Thanks Franz.....(I didn't know that).....
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08-30-2004
posted by Markopolo
Quote:
Originally Posted by Franz....Of course the machines are tremendously
overpriced.......
I've always said: "You get what you pay for" !
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08-30-2004
posted by Franz
Quote:
Originally Posted by Markopolo
I've always said: "You get what you pay for" !
And everybody who ever did business with you wound up going in the hole
Marko.
09-03-2004
posted by
Cutter
Slab Day at Last
If Marko & Franz are quite through with your Kirby commercial I would like
to make an announcement.
Today is marked as "pour the slab day" for my building after a one week
delay caused by a sorry-assed thief of a plumber pictured earlier. I have
been so mad at the guy I didn't have the heart to post reports on his
non-performance.
I finally took my loss, ran him off and then had to hire a part timer to
re-do part of the job so as to get the vents & water line out of the
footing. Then we had to wait one day to get the plumbing inspection
followed by another day lost waiting for the slab prep inspection. The
inspectors themselves have been crisp in & out pro's; nothing to complain
about there.
My concrete crew has been a joy so far. They work like demons, have done a
lot of extra work getting my accumulation of junk moved out of the way,
hauled off trash, moved a little shed out off the driveway area & have
done everything with speed as well as great good humor. Today is their big
day to shine.
I certainly hope they do.
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09-03-2004
posted by morpheus
Good luck with pour cutter
Unfortunately most have been involved with a situation with someone like
your plumber.
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09-03-2004
posted by fatfrank
Hope all goes well with the slab. Sounds like the plumber that was first
on the job is the type that I always end up with.
09-03-2004
posted by atucker
Hope this all works out OK. As I remember, the last LLOOONNNNGGG thread
you started is still in the bucket soaking. Maybe when the shop gets done
you can finish the vise? .
Allen T.
09-03-2004
posted by 7018
Goo luck getting that flor poured today!!!Hope u make it!!
09-03-2004
posted by TheFrenchCanadian
Quote:
Originally Posted by atucker
Hope this all works out OK. As I remember, the last LLOOONNNNGGG thread
you started is still in the bucket soaking. Maybe when the shop gets done
you can finish the vise?
Allen, you're reading my mind! I was gonna post and suggest that as a
great symbolic first project, Cutter should takle that vise as soon as his
shp is set up... and then bolt it to his workbench and put it to good use
on all his subsequent projects!!
Luc
09-03-2004
posted by
Cutter
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFrenchCanadian
Allen, you're reading my mind! I was gonna post and suggest that as a
great symbolic first project, Cutter should takle that vise as soon as his
shp is set up... and then bolt it to his workbench and put it to good use
on all his subsequent projects!!
Fair enough. Agreed.
But with the understanding that it will probably take until Christmas for
me to get all my stuff moved & set up.
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09-03-2004
posted by TheFrenchCanadian
Quote:
Originally Posted by cutter
Fair enough. Agreed.
But with the understanding that it will probably take until Christmas for
me to get all my stuff moved & set up.
Understood! Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if it took you longer than that,
it would for me, anyways! But when you're ready, we'll be watching
Until then, I won't say a word about it! No pressure...
Luc
09-03-2004
posted by 7018
Well AAAAAAAAAAAAA i'm not saying nothing !!!!
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